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Topic: Kitty's Costumes/Codenames Posted: 12-Apr-2012 at 2:41am |
Why is it that poor Kitty can't hold on to a codename or costume?
Shadowcat is by far the best one she's had so far. When did writers stop using it for her? I can't remember the last time she was referred to as Shadowcat and even in the Marvel Avengers Alliance facebook game, she is known only as Kitty Pryde.
And to make matters worse, they stick her in the same boring X-Men training uniform which has come to serve as her iconic look. What a shame, especially since Stuart Immonen designed this lovely piece for her Ultimate counterpart. It may seem a bit childish for Kitty but then again, what does a training uniform say about her?
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Posted: 12-Apr-2012 at 3:16am |
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My only beef about that costume is the lack of any kind of eye holes. It makes her look like a blind character like Daredevil or something.
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Posted: 12-Apr-2012 at 3:48am |
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Yeah, I don't understand why she's not called Shadowcat anymore. That Ultimate costume looks quite groovy aside from lack of eyeholes.
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Posted: 12-Apr-2012 at 4:15am |
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I loved what they did to her look towards the end of the original Excalibur run, but when she rejoined the xmen her hair had magically grown back and she was wearing the old uniform again. I also had how they jump between ages with her.
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Posted: 12-Apr-2012 at 9:34am |
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That Ultimate costume is completely ludicrous. But yeah, Pryde has had a history of completely rubbish costumes. The best was probably the costume she wore when she first became Shadowcat. But even that dated quite badly.
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Posted: 12-Apr-2012 at 10:06am |
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There's nothing wrong with sticking with a costume made of pure 80's. Surely it's back in fashion now?
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Posted: 12-Apr-2012 at 10:48am |
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Certain 80s clobber was and still is cool, but alas Kitty's get-up is firmly in the 'was' only camp.
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Posted: 12-Apr-2012 at 9:31pm |
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Honestly I think it suits her character not to have a flashy codename or costume. She's a very down-to-Earth character and this fits with that.
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Posted: 13-Apr-2012 at 2:02am |
Originally posted by Anna Raven
My only beef about that costume is the lack of any kind of eye holes. It makes her look like a blind character like Daredevil or something. |
It's like Spiderman, certain sections of the mask are used as a substitute for eye holes. I like it myself.
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Posted: 13-Apr-2012 at 7:31am |
Originally posted by ChaosX
Honestly I think it suits her character not to have a flashy codename or costume. She's a very down-to-Earth character and this fits with that. |
That's definitely true. But at the end of the day, comic books are a visual medium and it's just frustrating that such a popular X-Men who's become quite mainstream over the years doesn't have an iconic look to back it up.
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Posted: 13-Apr-2012 at 7:49am |
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Well, when i comes to code names in the X-Men she's hardly the only female who rarely uses or is more known for her code name. Jean Grey, Rachel, Emma Frost, Danielle Moonstar and Hope for example.
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Posted: 13-Apr-2012 at 8:31am |
Originally posted by J-style
Well, when i comes to code names in the X-Men she's hardly the only female who rarely uses or is more known for her code name. Jean Grey, Rachel, Emma Frost, Danielle Moonstar and Hope for example. |
Definitely true but the thing that strikes me as odd is that she had a code name that worked for her and was used frequently and then just kind of vanished.
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Posted: 13-Apr-2012 at 9:20am |
I'd accept a serious down to Earth name for her if she didn't insist on calling herself "Kitty." That's such an odd antiquated nickname for Katherine. Whenever I hear Kitty Pryde I think of kittens marching down the steets chanting & holding up banners for equality. That or something pervier. Her surname being a corruption of pride supports her standoffish personality. So no, her real name actually suggests that she's not a down to Earth girl but an affectated one who would use a codename.
Shadowcat is a good one too. The Cat suffix realated to Kitty shows that she had aspirations of maturity (even if she refuses to grow into it by calling herself Katherine) like teen Peter Parker naming himself Spider-Man. She's got stealth ninja training from Wolverine, which is where the Shadow prefix comes in. It's not a literal description of her powers like Storm, so it gives her a slight edge of surprise. She can still live up to her name by phasing out of shadows to take down foes. Most importantly, it sounds cool. I went to university with a DDR ace who called himself Shadowcat.
Jean & Rachel are usually called by their first names to differentiate themselves since they've both used the same codenames. Marvel Girl is a pretty terrible name. Phoenix is cool, but it comes with a lot of cosmic baggage that's constantly retconned. White Queen only makes sense in the context of the Hellfire Club. Otherwise it makes Emma sound like a white supremacist. The Queen bit does suit Emma though. I don't know why Dani doesn't use Psyche or Mirage anymore besides being depowered. Moonstar is keen sounding surname though. Hope's name is just weaksauce. It was picked to ride the coattails of the Obama campaign slogan & trick fans into thinking she'd reverse M-Day.
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Posted: 13-Apr-2012 at 1:38pm |
Originally posted by EvilMonkeyPope
Hope's name is just weaksauce. It was picked to ride the coattails of the Obama campaign slogan & trick fans into thinking she'd reverse M-Day. |
I dont think Cable cared about Obama's campaign that much. He was in an alternate future for years at the time, one with an evil government of bugs no less. And I dont think he had any intention of tricking people into thinking she'd reverse M-Day. He really believed that. I mean there was an inspirational aspect likely but really naming her for his dead wife was the main basis for why he picked that name.
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Posted: 13-Apr-2012 at 3:06pm |
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Ultimate Kitty is now in a red hooded thing that really annoys me. I think she's now Ultimate Crimson Cowl or Red Ghost or Bloody Mary or something.
Also, remember when Shadowcat became a bartender and had leather pants with holes cut out of the thigh but she was still inexplicably sixteen?
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Posted: 13-Apr-2012 at 3:22pm |
For me it makes perfectly clear sense that Kitty stopped using a code name. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't she stop going by Shadowcat or any other codename after the the arc where she went to Russia to spread Colossus ashes and wrote that letter to Xavier in which she pretty much begged him to put a cross over anything conecting her to the x-men or superheroics.
As I recall it she didn't exactly return to the x-men willingly but was asked by Cyclops to do so during the first astonishing arc. The last ten years of stories makes it clear why Kitty doesn't wear a costume or use a codename and it would seem weird if it suddenly were to change without a story to explain a change such as.
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Posted: 13-Apr-2012 at 3:33pm |
I think EMP is referring to the fact that the creators picked the name of the back of Obama's election and to suggest to people that she would return mutantkind.
I don't think Cable would have named a kid after an Obama policy, no.
I think Kitty made a clear return to superheroing when she rejoined the X-Men and the Astonishing team. She didn't just return as a teacher, but as a member of the team, and as a superhero.
I do think she should have had a decent costume then, not just the training costume, and I still thinks she needs a good costume.
I liked the Immomen one shown above, and I liked the simplicity of her dark blue one:
I think it managed to be slightly catlike, without turning her into Catwoman...
An update of her dark blue/80's costume would work for me too, I reckon.
I just wish they'd stop sticking her in the standard yellow and blue, to be honest
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Posted: 13-Apr-2012 at 4:20pm |
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Does she even have a costume anymore though? I mean once she left during Schism, she hasn't been in costume...has she?
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Posted: 13-Apr-2012 at 5:39pm |
Originally posted by Cable
Originally posted by EvilMonkeyPope
Hope's name is just weaksauce. It was picked to ride the coattails of the Obama campaign slogan & trick fans into thinking she'd reverse M-Day. | I dont think Cable cared about Obama's campaign that much. He was in an alternate future for years at the time, one with an evil government of bugs no less. And I dont think he had any intention of tricking people into thinking she'd reverse M-Day. He really believed that. I mean there was an inspirational aspect likely but really naming her for his dead wife was the main basis for why he picked that name.
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Haha Cable. Hope is basically an equivalent of a political campaign, isn't she... And I totally forgot that she was named after some broad Cable shacked up with in the future.
Originally posted by Blackcyclops
Does she even have a costume anymore though? I mean once she left during Schism, she hasn't been in costume...has she?
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Hmm. She's definitley worn it on covers and promo material but within an actual issue, you may be right. She has only been teaching or pregnant and such. Maybe she has a new costume after all!
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Posted: 13-Apr-2012 at 6:26pm |
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I guess she won't have much opportunity to wear one - even Logan is in street clothes most of the time in WATX. I guess it made more sense for her to be wandering round in costume when on Utopia, she's not likely to be going out on missions and such now, unless she pops up in Astonishing or Legacy
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Posted: 13-Apr-2012 at 9:53pm |
Originally posted by EphemeristX
Ultimate Kitty is now in a red hooded thing that really annoys me. I think she's now Ultimate Crimson Cowl or Red Ghost or Bloody Mary or something.
Also, remember when Shadowcat became a bartender and had leather pants with holes cut out of the thigh but she was still inexplicably sixteen? |
IIRC she wasn't depicted as being sixteen in that story arc. That was later.
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Posted: 14-Apr-2012 at 1:49am |
Originally posted by marhawkman
Originally posted by Anna Raven
My only beef about that costume is the lack of any kind of eye holes. It makes her look like a blind character like Daredevil or something. | It's like Spiderman, certain sections of the mask are used as a substitute for eye holes. I like it myself. |
I definitely get that its supposed to be some sort of see-through material like Spidey's. But unlike Spidey's the shape doesn't remotely resemble an eye. It looks like she's wearing some kind of blind mole mask. I'm sure Das_boot will appreciate this, but in that costume her codename should be "the Blind Mole".
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Posted: 14-Apr-2012 at 3:38am |
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Spidey's mask resembles eye holes because the artists manipulate the "eyes" to show emotion behind the mask, ie the eyes get wide when shocked, curve downward from the outside when sad, become narrow when upset or suspicious.
Ultimate Kitty's mask still shows her mouth, so they can use that to show emotion.
As for the bartender thing, Kitty was supposed to be 18. You can still serve alcohol in Chicago while 18. Just can't drink it.
Edited by Ciel - 14-Apr-2012 at 3:38am
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Posted: 14-Apr-2012 at 3:43am |
Originally posted by Anna Raven
My only beef about that costume is the lack of any kind of eye holes. It makes her look like a blind character like Daredevil or something. |
Absolutely agree.
Take the mask off or alter it however and I'd say thats one of the better looks for her.
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Posted: 14-Apr-2012 at 6:14am |
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I think my favorite use of the Shadowcat name was in Messiah war. When kitty was wandering around looking for Destiny's diaries, she looks at the back of a dresser or something and sees "reach inside Cat Shadow X". :D
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