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  Quote cloneX Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Jun-2012 at 5:38am

Smackdown was pretty good tonight. Ricardo Rodriguez has replaced Santino Marella as the funniest personality in WWE, IMO

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  Quote Spectral Knight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Jun-2012 at 8:10am
Sheamus is good, but not great. If they play on his quick fuse more (almost like an early Stone Cold, who striked out at everything in sight), he'd become a bit more distinct, but at the moment, he's a little pale. Gotta say I hadn't seen a lot in him up until his 2/3 falls match with Bryan, but that showed he can work a very different match than the usual big power guy.

The thing with the tag teams is that they're not given the time or allowed to go over singles pairings. Nothing wrong with the Usos in ability, but they're made to look like jokes even in as dead a scene as it is currently. Tag specialists should lose easily in singles competition, but win when teaming against non tag specialists. It's a ridiculously simple formula that has got lost over the last decade due to bad booking more than anything. Hate yo compare against prior times, but look when you had E&C, Dudleys, Hardys being a core focus, and then Too Cool, Acolytes, NAO/X-Pac and Road Dogg, RTC, T'n'A all around the scene being competitive. That is what they need, it puts lots of the roster in meaningful frauds, gives them something which the crowd easily identifies when they are presented as an actual team, and allows the guys to work the mic for shorter promos and that to build up their confidence/ability.
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  Quote cloneX Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Jun-2012 at 8:42am

I wish WWE would stop using on screen authority figures. Even casual wrestling fans know Vince McMahon runs the company and call the shots. There's really no need for John Laurinaitis or Teddy Long (even Hulk Hogan over in TNA) to appear on television in the capacity that they do. The boss vs employee feud lost it's spark after Austin vs McMahon Round 20.

@Spectral Knight: I think the tag team scene is slowly starting to improve (at least in WWE), but agree with your accessment. Many a tag team paved the way for singles superstardom (i.e. Bret Hart, HBK, Edge).
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  Quote Crutey Anth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Jun-2012 at 10:14am
I dip in and out (mainly when there are a few matches on PPV which catch my attention) the last I watched was the month leading up to Wrestlemania.

I think most of you have said what I thought when I watched it. I love tag teams; they're great for story purposes (twice as many characters and interactions; the ring psychology is good and everyone loves a 'hit tag' moment) and WWE let it go. Other than the tag champs at the time and Ziggler and Swagger I couldn't name any teams.

There is also no mid card. They've elevated too many wrestlers to main event status where they can only face each other really (except Kane and Bigshow; two legends who can make any wrestling match seem believable).

Crutey's wrestling plan:-
1) A tag team drive/ push. Have a tournament for the tag team titles/#1 contenders. 10-15 minutes of every show minimum every week dedicated to the division (more if you get a hot storyline running)
2) let the women wrestle. I know I may be in the minority but I couldn't give a flying F about the latest bra and panties match or whatever. Get a core of women who can wrestle and give them at least 1 match and 1 segment each week to develop characters and storylines
3) Give me a mid-card!
4) Shake up the main event scene.

On to the John Cena thing; yes I find him annoying and I have ever since his first title reign after he stopped being a heel and I understand he is constantly being pushed but
1) WWE needs a face of the company; THE WWE star and they always have done since Hogan. No one else I can think of can do that at the moment (Cm punk is better but he can't be that guy without tarnishing his character which would make it all pointless)
2) I don't think they care if I like him. The point is many do. Wrestling (like comics) SHOULD be for kids. Yeah have some adult storylines to stay relevant and appeal to adult fans etc. but predominantly this is what the medium should be about


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  Quote Anti-Limbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Jun-2012 at 4:54pm
I used to be a HUGE wrestling fan! It was all I could think of even more than comics. I wanted to be a wrestler so bad but just never went the extra step because I didn't have supportive people in my life at the time. That kind of proves I had no business doing it because if I did that wouldn't have stopped me. Point is I was all in with wrestling.
 
I think what happened to me was all the deaths. When most of your favorite guys die it's kind of hard to stay interested. And I hate to be one of those guys but John Cena didn't help matters. I just never got into him much except for when he was a heel and even then it was only a "hey this guy is kinda funny and cocky, I like him but we'll see" kinda deal. There were other factors that lead me to not be as into it but those are the major ones.
 
I did start to get back into it when CM Punk was making waves but for whatever reason, it didn't hold me for long. I do still watch the big events from time to time--especially the Rumble(this past year SUCKED). 
20 years later and I'm still waiting on the Hell's Belles to show back up.
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  Quote cloneX Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Jun-2012 at 7:58pm
3 hours of Raw tonight. I'm off work, but I dont know if I can sit through 3 whole hours of it
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  Quote RingOtaku Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Jun-2012 at 6:28am
I love Crazy AJ. Best Divas gimmick in a Looong time. She has the subtle mannerisms down just right and honestly I am not sure what she will do in order to influence the main event. A friend and I are begging for her to hook up with Kane as the WWE's ultimate crazy couple.
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  Quote cloneX Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Jun-2012 at 9:42am

AJ is hot and crazy. You gotta love crazy chicks. She plays the crazy angle well. I also hope AJ sides with Kane and helps him win the WWE Title. Part of me thinks she'll do a swerve and help Daniel Bryan win ( I hope not), but I think AJ and Kane make much more sense story wise. Also, AJ should be the one to take the Divas Title off Layla and noth Beth Phoenix.

 
From what I've read AJ is a huge comic book fan (which makes her even more sexy in my eyes). I've also heard Beth Phoenix and Cody Rhodes are too. I know CM Punk loves comics because of an article in a 2007 WWE magazine where he says Multiple Man is his favorite character.

 

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  Quote Spectral Knight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Jun-2012 at 12:30pm
RVD and Hurricane (obviously) are also massive comic book fans. As is Raven, who wrote an issue of Spidey published by Marvel. Think the issue had a wrestling tint.

The AJ gimmick is weird. Is she face? Heel? Tweener? I don't know where it's going, but fair play to all three men, the reactions were brilliant...pure WTF is going on moment. It can go anywhere on Sunday, which is really interesting. Nice to see a diva take a prominent role in the world title feud in a good way. She's not the center of it, but she certainly looks like she'll have an impact.


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  Quote RingOtaku Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Jun-2012 at 3:36pm
not to mention nine out of ten times when Punk comes out and screams from his knee the phrase is "It's Clobbering Time!" as a nod to Ben Grimm.

That's the point Spectral. She's in a transition phase with this angle. I'd say her alignment is Tweener now in that she can go either way.
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  Quote cloneX Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Jun-2012 at 7:00pm
I think this sundays NO Way Out looks to be great, I wish I could afford PPVs. I'm really looking forward to Punk v Bryan v Kane and the role AJ will play in the outcome. I'm also really glad that Dolph Ziggler is getting a title shot, because as I said he's ready for the main events. Plus, I just like to see Ziggler taking bumps, he does that better than anybody. Christian v Rhodes should be good, Layla has improved a lot so her match with Beth Phoenix could be better than a standard Diva match. Cena vs Big Show probably won't be anything special but hopefully it gets Laurinaitis off TV.
 
Edit: Watched the show at a friends and wasn't as excited over it as I thought I would. Ziggler vs Sheamus was good, Rhodes vs Christian was good, The Triple Threat Match was really good (but disappointed that Kane or even Bryan didn't win the title.) The suprise of the night though, was the fatal fourway tag team match featuring Tyson Kidd/Justin Gabriel, The Prime Time Players, The Usos and Primo and Epico. The toprope hurricanrana by Kidd off the top rope to the floor was awesome. Layla and Phoenix was quite boring with the exception of the fans chanting "we want Kharma" throughout the match. THe cage match was also quite boring and predictable. COuldn't there have been a way for both Laurinaitis and Cena to have been fired of TV? I did get a good laugh at Ricardo Rodriguez' Alberto Del Rio underwear, though. It's funny that Rodriguez is more over with the crowd than Del Rio is. From what I heard, Rodriguez can wrestle well, so I dont know why they dont showcase that.   


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  Quote BrandonX Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jun-2012 at 2:14am
I love WWE and TNA. I used to get a lot of flack growing up a wrestling fan, but I never cared.
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  Quote cloneX Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jun-2012 at 2:20am
LOL. I think all wrestling fans do.
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  Quote Crutey Anth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jun-2012 at 11:27pm
Say what you will about the man/wrestler (I think the second is the more apt) but I think he really does the companies image a lot of good

http://online.wsj.com/article/AP0d51a2306be44eb8b4255fa26b003f9e.html


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  Quote Ciel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Jun-2012 at 12:43am
I don't think that was ever in doubt.  Even the haters had to admit it.
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  Quote cloneX Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Jun-2012 at 3:29am

I wonder if that is the reason WWE absolutely refuses to turn him heel? I don't hate the man, but I hate the character. I dug him back when he was doing the Doctor Of Thuganomics thing, but WWE tries too hard to shove him down everybodys throat. It's obviously not his fault, lol. Blame the company.

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  Quote RingOtaku Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Jun-2012 at 3:47am
WWE refuses to turn him heel because he still sells a boatload of merchandise.
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  Quote Ciel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Jun-2012 at 4:06am
He can sell merch as a heel, they just have to rework the merch.

Orton sold a lot of t-shirts as a heel because he had an awesome t-shirt design that people couldn't help but want to wear.

Shoot I've seen more people wearing Sonny Siaki designs than were even aware who Sonny Siaki is.


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  Quote RingOtaku Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Jun-2012 at 5:03am
Yes but Cena sells to little kiddies more than adults. It's a fine balance. Trust me you have no idea how often I see kids desperate to find a new Cena action figure when I'm at work. The WWE won't disturb their cash cow. Besides as a heel he can't be the WWE's "all ages friendly public face" because haters in the media would tear the WWE apart for "having their top role model act like a bully" especially in light of their anti-bully campaigns.
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  Quote cloneX Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Jun-2012 at 8:58am
LOL @ WWE's whole anti-bullying campaign. Half the WWE rosters characters can be considered bullies. Thats why I find it odd Mark Henry and Alberto Del Rio are giving speeches to school kids about bullying. I'm all for WWE participating in noble causes like bullying campaigns, but alas, I suspect it's just WWE trying to toot it's own horn and say "look at me, look at me".
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  Quote Ciel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Jun-2012 at 12:02pm
WWE is anti-bullying, anti-cheating, and anti-discrimination, despite all the heelness.

They have no qualms, however, about making a drug-free or vegan lifestyle look like major reasons somebody would be a heel.
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  Quote RingOtaku Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Jun-2012 at 3:42pm
Originally posted by Ciel

WWE is anti-bullying, anti-cheating, and anti-discrimination, despite all the heelness.

They have no qualms, however, about making a drug-free or vegan lifestyle look like major reasons somebody would be a heel.


Because Punk and Bryan can work heel and be awesome at it? Because as legit representatives of the lifestyle they can't be accused of "making fun of us" and more importantly people who are Vegan and/or Straight Edge don't rush to boycott and sue for any negative portrayals like other "lifestyle affiliations" that can't laugh at themselves?
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  Quote cloneX Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Jun-2012 at 4:29am
That was the whole point of Punks' heel persona. He was straight edge so that made him better than anybody else who wasn't. Similarly, D. Bryan made a couple snide remarks about AJ eating cheeseburgers when they were an on screen couple. Punk and Bryan both make good elitist heels, IMO.
 
 
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  Quote BrandonX Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Jun-2012 at 9:40am
I have a serious crush on Cody Rhodes. Sorry, I just had to say that.
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  Quote cloneX Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jun-2012 at 12:14am
Ciel brought Bobby Heenan up in another thread, but listening to Jerry Lawler and Michael Cole nowadays make me miss Bobby Heenan and Gorilla Monsoon a whole lot more.
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