A vs X # 9 (spoilers)

Spidey is kind of the narrator here. This issue takes place 8 days after the fall of Wakanda. The Avengers have apparently been getting their butts kicked. Most recently Colossus & Magik took out Thor.
Storm, Gambit, Pixie & Karma (?) are watching the Rasputins keeping Thor captive in Siberia and feel that maybe all of the P5 are starting to lose it.
Scott and Emma have a little chat. He tells her to go back to Utopia and stand by his side. She tells him that since gaining Namor's portion of the Phoenix she can hear all thoughts on the planet and that she knows Hope is in Kun Lun. Scott flies off to save Hope and Emma begs him to stay because she thinks she's losing control.
Next page, Emma kills a man having \supper with his family because he hit a mutant boy with a plane in 1987.
Storm shows up in Wakanda to help T'Challa clean up. He informs her that he has annulled their marriage and asks he not to come back
T'challa leads Cap land a few of the other Avengers to Siberia to free their captive comrades thanks to some in-tell from Storm. The Avengers are greeted in Limbo Prison Cave by Xavier and Storm.
As they work on releasing the prisoners the Rasputins show up to stop them. Spidey sacrifices himself to allow the others to escape. Parker gets his face beat in by Colossus, but despite his crushed face he manages to goad the feuding siblings into fighting each other after Illiyana tries to convince Piotr to kill Spidey. Colossus and Magik take each other out in a giant explosion that Spider-Man somehow survives, leaving the power solely in the possession of Scott and Emma.
Scott is waiting in Kun Lun to great the Avengers on their arrival.

Hot damn! A lot of stuff happens. Overall I think I was kind of annoyed by this issue. It's cool that Storm and Panther aren't married anymore. Hopefully it stays that way. But I think it's a giant cop out that the remaining X-Men are starting to turn against the P5. Granted, I haven't read any of the Avengers tie ins, but I don't see a whole lot of justification so far for them to lose faith.
Sure there's Namor, but is it really that big of a stretch for him to lose his mind like that? I don't thinks so. Have Scott or Pete done anything to warrant a betrayal so far? Not that I've seen. Illiyana created a Limbo Prison on Earth. Well sorry folks but it's war. At least she's keeping them alive instead of flash frying them like she did Hawkeye (which she was quickly reprimanded for by Scott and Hawkeye is going to be fine) And yes, Emma kills a man in front of his family. But nobody knows about it yet.
I've got nothing against Spidey, but there is no way in hell he should be alive, much less standing at the end of this issue. One punch from Phoelossernaut should have taken his head clean off.
I'm beginning to get the impression I'm not going to like the end of this series.

I had the feeling this series was going to end badly once Namor and Emma made out in seven.  That's when things started feeling forced.  The whole spiderman schtick is a little tired as well.  I guess issue 9 is when things begin to go full retard.

An end to the marriage...without a deal with the devil? Blasphamy!

The other X-Men losing faith makes sense but it's just another thing that has been poorly executed in this event. The continuity and story flow of this event is just utter crap. How many times have we seen Thor captured now? Like three times. And in some tie-ins you see why some lose faith, but then others you don't. We were told that one didn't need to read the tie-ins to get stuff but if you don't this main series starts to fall apart pretty hugely over time. With the Limbo prison, it's war but I believe that most of the X-Men are supposed to be portrayed as thinking it's going too far. That Cyclops and the others are so intent on taking out the Avengers they are becoming everything they fought against for years. They are the hunters imprisoning others and doing terrible things to them. Like putting them in a prison that would drive a person mad since time moves super fast there after a few days in there they've been tortured mentally for years.

Did Polaris make it into this one?

I am am still annoyed at no Wanda/Lorna recognition or even a pannel between them.

Oh and is Magneto in this?   

I'm confused on what makes it difficult to see the loss of faith by the X-Men actually. Especially considering Xavier's words last issue and Namor's actions. It wasn't like the various X-Men switched sides every issue or something. THey seem to have changed their minds on their actions as various stories unfolded.

Well its still people here on this forum who are siding with the P5 (what they were doing was right imo, the Avengers were in the wrong) so perhaps Storm isn't sooo quick to believe that they are losing it.

Namor went over the edge last issue. Colossus has been snapping lately...Magik is well Magik. Cyclops' been losing it. Its about time for Emma to lose her grip as well. Unless your name is Jean/Rachel Grey the PF should be too much for you. That's just it...period. I like Emma but she's no Jean FRIGGING Grey.

Third time Thor captured? When were the other two? I don't have the AvX VS issue (I read the first half in store) so I wasn't aware that THor was captured at the end. And I don't remember seeing any other place this happened at. So I don't see the issue with continuity here.

Edited by Blackcyclops - 01-Aug-2012 at 2:34pm

Unless you count a brief background glimpse of Wanda in the infirmary as an appearance then no, Magneto and his children are not present in this issue.

Storm does show some anger. Someone, either Pixie or Gambit I think, comments on how Mutants are starting to leave Utopia. Storm says that they should leave. Now.

In the scene with T'Challa Ororo seems remorseful. Which is completely understandable. She is also grieving for the devastation in Wakanda. She says that she wants to help rebuild. He's says there not your people anymore, all X-Men have been branded enemies of Wakanda. She says that she would have been at his side if she had known something like this would happen and she stayed at their side to stop it from happening again. That's when BP drops the annulment bomb on her.
So yea, it was all BP doing the break up and Storm is definetly hurt, but she wants to try and make things right. This felt to me like her jumping ship over to the Avengers at least until the P5 are stopped.

I really don't think Emma will die though...It just doesn't fit the idea of "greatest" hero. Not because she's not a great hero but she was a villain first, and even Hawkeye didn't get called the Greatest hero when he died...

Let's start a deadpool...

Well we kinda can't see Rogue's opinion LOL...thanks gage...

Although it would have been cool to see the other X-Men, but I think the importance of having those two in particular is important and significant (especially since they don't have side books exploring their side more like the WatX folks). Plus it supports the idea that Storm and/or Xavier will have bigger roles once this story is over.

I don't empathize with the Avengers...I empathize with the X-Men, always have. The Avengers just so happen to be on the X-Men's side lol...

Hey if Wolverine can kill people every 5 years when he's possessed, Cyclops and Emma can't get the same love? LOL

Okay so read it while sitting at my desk at work! And so people have issues with digital comics :p.

I didn't like this...I felt it was just off on all places.

And yes Emma is done. Wanda and Wolverine can get forgiveness but Emma won't. :(

The Good:

Such pretty art. It really just helps the story. No more box figures!

I do like that Storm and Professor Xavier were the ones to greet the Avengers in the break out attempt. I just hope we get more background to that.

Favorite line:

"Storm wouldn't sell us out like that" You're right Wolverine, you're the sell out of the X-Men.

The Bad(mostly everything)

- Spidey's narration - Here's the issue...We were told this would be a story where neither side was the villain. Well that turned out to be a lie...The X-Men are villains and us going through Spidey's narration just makes that stand out more.
-Also Spidey's line to Hope about Uncle Ben was soo eye rolling and forced. If only hope felt that way and fell over and died.

I also didn't find Aaron's Spidey to be all that great...There I've said it. I didn't mind his speech but I don't know...he never clicked. The comedy was most certainly off, which is read since WaTx is so funny.

This whole series has just been SOOO Avengers slanted. We get two panels of X-men saying "This is wrong" and nothing more. Finally we at least get Storm doing something but that's it. It's just poorly written. This is an Avengers Storm with Five X-men as villain. This is not an X-Men story. What about Bobby, Rogue, Kitty, etc...They should be part of the main story.

Hope was an annoying gnat as always. I truly hope she doesn't have a moment, unless it's dying a painful death.

I just hate that Emma is feeling the corruption SOO much and Scott is not. He's still Scott. I get some people want to use the "It just exemplifies who they are" but shouldn't that mean Scott even more of a controlling dick willing to sacrifice his friends left and right. Instead he's the steadfast leader and Emma is the woman who can't handle the power. "I'm worried about what I'll do next...please stop me"...Ergh, Jesus H. Christ, come on. 

You also realize that Colossus is doing perfectly fine too and that he "worries what the power is doing to Magik. So the women folk are getting corrupted by the strong stoic men folk are doing a-okay.  Give women a little power..

The Storm scene was equally disturbing. Since the marriage I have hoped for a divorce but this wasn't a divorce. It was Storm being callously cast aside as if she was some 1960's housewife who's husband felt she changed because "of those crazy feminist leanings!". How dare he annual the marriage. How little disregard does he have for her, that he didn't even bother to hear her side of it...So in other words she loses her home, any wealth she brought to the marriage, and gets no rights what so ever...He literally threw her marriage away and made it non-existent.

As if this marriage wasn't disgusting enough and sexist enough...If Storm gets back with him, that's a horrible insult to the character. I mean seriously, this better be the end of the marriage. I guess what starts as sexist stunt should end sexist too.




Edited by XtremeOne1 - 01-Aug-2012 at 5:39pm

Well, at least Emma had the self-awareness to know that she was beginning to lose her self. Anyway, she's pretty much dead as far as I can predict. I mean, I don't want that to be the case, but that's what it looks like to me. Of course, if Emma Frost does die, although I will be sad, it will dramatically alter the way that I read the X-titles and comic books in generally because her presence plays a huge role in my investment in any given story.

Anyway, are Colossus and Magik like dead? Or are they just Phoenix free?


Honestly, if Emma Frost dies a villain, though, I'm going to be extremely insulted as a fan and reader. Talk about a slap in the face to everything that has been built up for the past two decades. If she dies a noble sacrifice, I might be a little less disappointed.

I'm not even going to get into the "women are mad if they're too powerful unless they're the most over-the-top variety of a Mary Sue" thing today. I have mourning to do.

As for Storm, this is ridiculous, and just goes to show. that she really is the better half in all of her relationships. We didn't see Ororo trying to break up with BP when she was kidnapped and basically tormented to gain his resources by Dr. Doom.

Edited by InsipidLust - 01-Aug-2012 at 7:58pm

Originally posted by Ciel Originally posted by XtremeOne1 Once again Storm gets the short end the stick...B.S...Why couldn't Storm end it? It was Forge who called it off with Storm as well.  I think they're trying to make some sort of larger point about her being more dedicated to the men in her life than they are to her.

Never even thought about that...

have they shown in any of the tie ins what kind of training Hope is doing beside Karate Kidesque stuff? Are they just ignoring that she was trained to fight her whole life by Cable or is she learning something new?