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kanderson
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Posted: 22-Aug-2012 at 5:54am |
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When they or if they go back and now that they have come forward I am just not sure how that does not mess up the current time completely anyway!
And if the O5 go to the Jean Grey School, I am sure Beast will have so much fun being a dick to young Scott. I wouldn't be surprised if he only brought them there so he could slap Scott around and throw him into detention!
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UncannyScott
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Posted: 22-Aug-2012 at 6:45am |
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No just watch, they'll make present day Beast and O5 Scott like BFF's just so he can rub it in present Scott's face if he's still alive.
"See Scott this is from before you were a dick!"
I guarantee that it will not mess up the timeline because come the end they'll either go with revealing it's not the true past of 616 therefore not an issue (so that they can keep Jean or such here or some crap) or they'll send them back and erase their memories and will send them back in enough time that they didn't age too much and are still totally right for going back.
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Posted: 22-Aug-2012 at 7:02am |
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If they make it in ANY way sixties like, I'm banning all X-books from the rest of my life because that would be ridiculously stupid, illogical, and it'd make me want to die in a carfire from the sheer rage it would fill me with. I mean, it's a cool idea EXCEPT that Marvel's been talking about their sliding time scale since before time existed. |
They don't have to say they're from the sixties (in fact, they shouldn't), but they definitely SHOULD resemble the characters from the old 60s comics. Otherwise, what's the point? They cannot bring forward some characters from the 90s that never existed. That said, this whole concept really does not work for me. Well, at least it serves as a good illustration of how incestuous long-running franchises can become if you're not careful.
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Posted: 22-Aug-2012 at 7:31am |
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This comic will be what destroys the X-men for years to come. This alternate timelime characters coming into present time hardly every works.
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Posted: 22-Aug-2012 at 10:29am |
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It indeed doesn't make sense NOW why Beast would do it and how it won't effect the whole timeline. But lets wait for #1 at least for the explanation
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Lorr
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Posted: 22-Aug-2012 at 1:22pm |
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[/QUOTE] they definitely SHOULD resemble the characters from the old 60s comics.Otherwise, what's the point? They cannot bring forward some characters from the 90s that never existed
But 90's versions of those characters do exist....it was called X-men First class. Paks version of this team had way more personality than the originals, better costumes, and existed in a more current setting without retconning the old stories or losing the fun tone of that period.
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Blackcyclops
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Posted: 22-Aug-2012 at 1:40pm |
Originally posted by Rickbarry
This comic will be what destroys the X-men for years to come. This alternate timelime characters coming into present time hardly every works.
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I don't think it will be that bad...but I guess it depends on your taste. Some people thought Morrison's run, Whedon's run, etc. ruined the x-men for years to come *shrug*
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"And someone's mom wants to eat all their souls. As a mom, I was offended. Moms should get to be role models, too."-Savant
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BeastieLovingX-Fan1
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Posted: 22-Aug-2012 at 2:43pm |
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IS X-Men: First Class even considered canonical? I wouldn't think so but then again… what do I know?
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RIP MCA… Beasties FOREVER homes!!! Viva la Raza Latina y Mutante!!! Cyclops Was Right! RIP Professor Charles Francis Xavier… The mutant king is dead… Long live the mutant king!
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Posted: 22-Aug-2012 at 3:09pm |
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At the time Marvel said it was canonical.
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Posted: 22-Aug-2012 at 3:12pm |
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Probably not canonical anymore, hard to keep up with. but using x men first class avoids the sliding time scale and lack of personality issues people are upset about with the 60s versions.
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Blackcyclops
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Posted: 22-Aug-2012 at 4:32pm |
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I thought somebody on here said X-Men FC wasn't in-continuity because it openly contradicted things. And the writers themselves said so.
Wolverine FC was, however, in continuity.
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Posted: 22-Aug-2012 at 4:46pm |
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No originally Marvel had said First Class was in continuity.
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Posted: 22-Aug-2012 at 5:10pm |
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I definitely like the art ... still not sold on the concept, or how it won't affect the O5's future, but I figure I'll read a couple of issues before I further criticize.
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BeastieLovingX-Fan1
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Posted: 22-Aug-2012 at 9:16pm |
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How I imagine the O5 reacting to their future selves…
Scott: I'm an royal asshole
Bobby: Wow I'm made of ice! Cool...
Warren: Metal wings and I don't remember crap?!?!?!
Hank: WTF??? I'm a Cat-Beast… At least I'm a doctor though...
Jean: Where am I??? That Rachel girl is who?!?!?!
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Posted: 22-Aug-2012 at 10:50pm |
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I think its funny that we openly accept characters with the ability to read minds, shoot beams from their eyes, control the weather, fly, have external slug stomachs, etc. yet we take issue with the realism of a sliding time scale? really? come on people, get over it.
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Posted: 22-Aug-2012 at 11:06pm |
Originally posted by ev82
I think its funny that we openly accept characters with the ability to read minds, shoot beams from their eyes, control the weather, fly, have external slug stomachs, etc. yet we take issue with the realism of a sliding time scale? really? come on people, get over it. |
We accept the sliding time scale, but if the characters are acting like they're from the 60's, then that contradicts the sliding time scale.
Also telling people to get over it is rude, so...let's not. If someone has an issue with it, you should...well you get the idea.
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Posted: 23-Aug-2012 at 1:24am |
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Unless trends and pop culture slides along with the characters aging. It's not perfect, but I prefer it over breaking the universe and restarting it at, say, Golden Era +10.
*looks at DC*
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Posted: 23-Aug-2012 at 1:36am |
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It's not that people don't accept the sliding time scale. It's that Marvel itself can't seem to accept it. They want their proverbial cake and you know the rest. They want them not to age and be on the slow scale but they also don't want to let go of the idea that the X-Men formed in the 60's. The look and feel remains in many flashbacks. Even the current First X-Men has a 50's/60's vibe to it even though on the sliding time scale Xavier's time in college would be more like the late 80's and early 90's some what.
They just need to accept their sliding timescale themselves and it would work out better.
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Posted: 23-Aug-2012 at 2:32am |
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I don't even think it makes any sense for the vibe being 80's. The 05 are being portraied as late 20's - early 30's -like Spider-Man, and that make sence, they are about the same age. That would make them around 5-9 years old at most if they were formed in the late 80's. I think it's much more belivable that the X-Men was formed in mid to late 90's.
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Posted: 23-Aug-2012 at 2:36am |
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80's doesn't work for the O5 no, but I at least was saying late 80's to early 90's works for the First X-Men series where Xavier is still in college and Wolverine is forming this supposed first team of X-Men. The O5 would be around late 90's like you said at this point.
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Posted: 23-Aug-2012 at 2:44am |
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Oh ok, i get i now. Sorry, it's about 3.45 in the night in Sweden, my head is not all there :p But yes, that would make sense!
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Posted: 23-Aug-2012 at 3:06am |
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No problem lol.
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kanderson
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Posted: 23-Aug-2012 at 4:27am |
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You know come to think of it just the fact that the O5 comes to the future and might be in their twenties means that Marvel wether they wanted to or not has just aged the whole entire Marvel universe.
Not saying if it's good or bad but we all know how they got rid of Maryjane so they could make Peter a bit younger again, so for the present while the O5 are here that makes everyone else older then they are at least all the X-Men and Avengers and other Heroes around current Scott's age.
But I am sure that when or if the O5 do go back to their own time Marvel can down the road figure out a way to make them all a bit younger and the O5 Jean a bit older so we can have more Logan/Scott/Jean triangle.
A vicious cycle and a little 12 Monkeys
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Posted: 23-Aug-2012 at 5:00am |
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It would be hard to make the O5 older without totally saying eff those original stories because they have to be teenagers LOL
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kanderson
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Posted: 23-Aug-2012 at 5:34am |
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True so if they are teenagers then I guess the rest of the gang with Scott and others remain around 30 somethings. In that regard there would be no real age change
And really when you get passed 30 you pretty much forget how old you are anyway lol - speaking of course from experience
Edited by kanderson - 23-Aug-2012 at 5:36am
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