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Didn't he state they moved to San Francisco and not to Utopia?
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-May-2010 at 11:38pm
If they moved to San Francisco, it was to join the X-men back before they moved. Thus, they're with them now.
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Well, we don't know for sure until we see something and we haven't seen a single Acolyte or Karima in the background yet. Not to mention, in any of the Nation-X stories.
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Frenzy was present during the Utopia crossover, seen with Nekra during the San Fran riots.
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Can i just state to Monolith regarding Cloak & Dagger... I TOLD YOU SO!!!! and to everyone else that for what ever reason couldnt get their head around them being mutates not mutants... Nemisis is the man in the know.
 
That remarkably mature declaration aside, you are now correct only because the duo's origins have been RE-retconed to make them non-mutants again. Your earlier statements were wrong at the time they were made, particularly when you stated on the first page that it was NEVER official that they were mutants.
 
If, for instance, you were insisting prior to Necrosha that Shinobi Shaw was dead, you would have been wrong. The fact that new information came out in that crossover that showed Shinobi was dead would not vindicate your opinion in any way, because that information did not exist when you made your statements.
 
By the same token, the most recent canon evidence prior to their involvement in Dark X-Men was that Cloak & Dagger were mutants. New revelations to the contrary do not make your earlier arguments valid.
 
yes Big M i was deliberately being imature - and focusing on you becasue you take things so seriously often being frankly rude and often to newbies.
 
By the same token... they had a clear mutate origin, other writers came in and stuffed it up but by the clear definitions of mutant according to this site... oh who cares i was being facecious - Monollith we all love you work
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I'v eforgot to add PARADIGM to the list, last seen as only a head, forced to serve the unknown villain of Astonishing X-Men by delivering Bio-Sentinels to attack them  (Astonishing X-Men #33).
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Artie Maddicks appeared and was powered in Fantastic Four #579.
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No, he wasn't. That giant effing helmet he was wearing was a gift from the FF that mimicked his old abilities for him. He was given it five issues ago.
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What about the new guys, Teon, Idie, Laurie etc. from Gen Hope?
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What about the new guys, Teon, Idie, Laurie etc. from Gen Hope?


Are we sure they are even real mutants? and not some subconscious creation of Hope to validate her existence?...

j/k I love those guys. They are new mutants so I suppose the belong on the list. I guess Scarlet Witch's probability hexes do follow the rules of mathematics, there is no absolute 100%.
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Originally posted by courier

Originally posted by Mackers

What about the new guys, Teon, Idie, Laurie etc. from Gen Hope?


Are we sure they are even real mutants? and not some subconscious creation of Hope to validate her existence?...

j/k I love those guys. They are new mutants so I suppose the belong on the list. I guess Scarlet Witch's probability hexes do follow the rules of mathematics, there is no absolute 100%.


The new mutants are not a result of Scarlet Witch's hex failing, but a direct result of Hope manifesting her power. She seems able to activate the dormant gene.
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Originally posted by courier

Originally posted by Mackers

What about the new guys, Teon, Idie, Laurie etc. from Gen Hope?


Are we sure they are even real mutants? and not some subconscious creation of Hope to validate her existence?...

j/k I love those guys. They are new mutants so I suppose the belong on the list. I guess Scarlet Witch's probability hexes do follow the rules of mathematics, there is no absolute 100%.
The new mutants are not a result of Scarlet Witch's hex failing, but a direct result of Hope manifesting her power. She seems able to activate the dormant gene.


what made hope be a mutant? Or is she jut a manifestation of the collective?

Also each of the "lights" (please be renamed soon!!!!) displayed powers before Hope touched them.
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Originally posted by courier

Originally posted by Cable


Originally posted by courier

Originally posted by Mackers

What about the new guys, Teon, Idie, Laurie etc. from Gen Hope?


Are we sure they are even real mutants? and not some subconscious creation of Hope to validate her existence?...

j/k I love those guys. They are new mutants so I suppose the belong on the list. I guess Scarlet Witch's probability hexes do follow the rules of mathematics, there is no absolute 100%.
The new mutants are not a result of Scarlet Witch's hex failing, but a direct result of Hope manifesting her power. She seems able to activate the dormant gene.


what made hope be a mutant? Or is she jut a manifestation of the collective?

Also each of the "lights" (please be renamed soon!!!!) displayed powers before Hope touched them.


Each of the new mutants manifested their powers the day Hope defeated Bastion...their powers were not easy for them to control, but her touch stabilized them. We don't know yet what made Hope a mutant. Some signs point towards the Phoenix force. Any other answer would leave fact-based and be opinion based.
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I think this list should be uptated before Schism is over and the X-men are separated. Is anyone up to it?
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With the re-emergence of the X-gene due to the coming of Hope, it's hardly relevant anymore.
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That's not necessarily true. It's still handy for tracking existing characters before M-Day who are just now showing back up in print after years of us in the dark on their power status. (I'm thinking of Vange Whedon in particular). 
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I've been updating this list on comicvine for quite a while now. If anybody is interested, here it is:

http://www.comicvine.com/myvine/providence/powered-mutants-post-m-day/75-14978/
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I've been updating this list on comicvine for quite a while now. If anybody is interested, here it is:http://www.comicvine.com/myvine/providence/powered-mutants-post-m-day/75-14978/


You might want to redo that Feral one..
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lol, I saw the previews but I haven't read the issue itself yet! Thanks, BC!
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I know this is old but just saw this and didnt know where else to put it
 
So in Endangered Species Beast is talking to Multiple man saying that even if he sent his doops out to help re-establish the mutant population that there just wouldnt be enough genetic diversity to make it a realistic option.
 
Well Beast was wrong. according to scientists a space or moon collony would only need 160 people (80 each men and women), and that's with them only breeding with eachother. Well there were more mutants left and they had everyone else on earth to breed with not just other mutants. So this was an option it was just a slow one.
 
well i'm sorry Hank but some times you have to be patient.
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I did the math, and there's only 71 mutant women on the last list, most of them underage. That's excluding bodiless characters like No-Girl and Malice, and not considering how many have died since M-Day. Plus, the article states 80 is the minimum necessary, assuming those 80 have the maximum genetic diversity allowable, and our female 198 included sisters, twins, triplets, etc.
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Enh.  It's only required to avoid genetic defects.  With guys like McCoy around you don't need to worry about that.
EDIT: also for a realworld example of what happens if a species has too little genetic diversity, check out Cheetahs

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You don't need 2 mutants or even 1 mutant to make a mutant baby though. 2 humans can make a mutant and 2 mutants can make a human.

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Except they apparently can't after M-Day. Like Exodus confirmed in the X-Men Annual, no new mutant births or manifestations were appearing after the Decimation. Post M-Day / Pre-Hope, it's entirely possible that even if mutants breeded true (i.e., two mutant parents) their children wouldn't be born as mutants either. No one tried, but it was clear the human population was no longer producing mutant genes at the rate it previously did.
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