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  Quote Redguard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jul-2007 at 10:03am
I took Wolverine's vision as him wishing Creed was dead and buried as he deserved it, unlike Jean and Mariko. Creed being alive and sneering in the coffin seemed like a taunt towards Wolverine. So yeah, ignore the vision. Doesn't necessarily mean Creed was dead by then.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jul-2007 at 5:02am
Could somebody help me out with continuity here.

I just read Deadly Genesis and have just started Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar empire, and just prior to that read X-men: Civil War and Phoenix Warsong. Now my question is what order do these stories occur?

I was under the impression that Deadly genesis occurs before Civil War and Rise and Fall occurs after Civil War and before Warsong but the new sentinels that were seen in Civil War (the ones which look a lot like Evangelions of Neon genesis) are not present. Further to that during Civil war it was mentioned that Prof X hadn't been seen since house of M, so does that mean that maybe Deadly genesis occurs after Civil War? or was the prof just laying low?

Please someone tell me what order these stories occur I'm mighty confused

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jul-2007 at 6:38am
ok i am right where you are about and deadly genesis occurs right before civil war and during this time the prof was laying low and not that many people had seen him. or its more likely this was just a mistake. but it generally goes like this(at least according to the board):
X-men: Deadly Genesis
Wolverine: Origins #1-5 (Born in Blood)
Civil War 1
Civil War: X-men
Civil War: Wolverine
Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire (Uncanny 475)
Sometime in between - Phoenix: Warsong
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jul-2007 at 7:11am
hey thanks ajandrew1212, much appreciated

I suspect there might be a little bit of writers and artists unaware of what other writers and artist are doing as well.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jul-2007 at 7:26am

yea, most definitely. I mean I GUESS Deadly Genesis could go after Civil War, right? we'll see what shmoo says.

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jul-2007 at 7:40am
the energy leftover from all the mutants being made humans that awakened Vulcan, was that the collective? was it when it got thrown into the sun maybe it passed by his...rock so did the collective storyline occur before civil war
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Jul-2007 at 3:18am
Yes, the collective storyline was right after House of M.
 
and right before civl war.


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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Aug-2007 at 12:47am
Greetings all, can you tell my why X-men: Deadly Genisus is after Blood of Apocalypse.


Because i dont understand one thing. if X-men: DG is before BoA. then where was Xavier in the story, and if its after. Why is nobody talking about BoA in X-men: DG???

so who can help me please!!
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  Quote Charles Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Aug-2007 at 1:24am
Genesis has to be after BoA because Brubaker clearly says when he starts his uncanny run that Xavier went with them on campus after the LS. And while they don't talk about BoA in DG there is nothing to contradict its placement before the LS. Placing DG before BoA does.
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  Quote Redguard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Aug-2007 at 1:27am
Plus Sentinel Squad Member Nathaniel Briggs was alive in Blood of Apocalypse, but died in Deadly Genesis.

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  Quote Charles Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Aug-2007 at 1:30am
Looked back and was just about to post that. Funny cuz you clearly say that on the first page. Reading the full thread helps.

EDIT: Although I vaguely recall why I placed DG first when I was doing the list. I remember the old sentinels being visible in first of DG, which wouldn't work since I remember them being destroyed and replaced in BoA. I'd have to dig out the issues to double check but that's what I remember.

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  Quote Redguard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Aug-2007 at 1:36am
Yeah, that was a continuity error. Sentinel designs across titles are more consistent now. Stuff like that, like dialogue, however, can be ignored by fans to make continuity work. A character death, however, is not something that can be changed or worked into continuity.

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Aug-2007 at 5:02am
What about the fact that polaris was wandering around in Deadly Genesis but left the mansion in BOA? or was that just a hallucination on Alex's part?
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  Quote Redguard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Aug-2007 at 5:29am

Well it can be argued that though Lorna said she was leaving, it didn't necessarily mean she jumped off and ran at that moment. I guess her appearance is another one of those inconsequential moments that needs to be interpreted by fans.


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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Aug-2007 at 3:33pm
thanx redguard and charles:D

one thing for i stop bothering you again:D


"x-men: apocalypse vs Dracula" is that after "rise of apocalypse"?
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Hey look, I'm back. Went away for a bit and then it took me some time to catch up. Here's an updated list. I'm still a bit unsure on the placement of Quest for Magik, but I've done my best for now.


Civil War 1 (X-Men cleaning up in Stamford)
Black Panther 18 (wedding)
Civil War: X-Men 1-4
Wolverine 42-47 (Vendetta) - there are some nice little gaps in this story to fit in the Giant-Size Wolverine story in there somewhere
Uncanny X-Men 475 and flashback from 476 (before heading to space)
X-Men 188 (up until Prof. X leaves, assuming there is a gap between the first part and Sabretooth showing up)
Wolverine 48 (Vendetta epilogue)
New X-Men 32 (funeral, and Wither stuff)
Wolverine 49 (Christmas shopping)
X-Men 188 (second part)-193 (Supernovas)
X-Men: Phoenix - Warsong 1-5
Wolverine Origins 6-8 (through Jubilee's kidnapping)
Blade 5 (Wolvie comes home briefly after fighting Omega Red)
Ms. Marvel 8-10 (with Rogue and Beast)
Wolverine Origins 8 (second part)-12 (seems like he goes home after leaving SHIELD, scenes of him hanging out in an apartment can be later possibly)
X-Men Annual
New X-Men 33-36 (Mercury Falling)
New Excalibur 16 (Emma takes a call from Sage)
Wolverine Origins 13-15
New Avengers 27-31 (with Wolverine, flashback scenes)
Fallen Son: The Death of Captain America one-shots (with Wolverine)
New Avengers 27-32 (with Wolverine, non-flashback scenes)
Avengers: The Initiative 2-3 (Beast)
New Avengers 33- (with Wolverine)
Uncanny X-Men 486 (they return to earth)
X-Men: Endangered Species one-shot
Wolverine 50-54
X-Men 194-196 (Primary Infection)
Endangered Species backup strips 1-4
X-Men 197-198
Cable & Deadpool 40
X-Men 199
Cable & Deadpool 41
Wolverine 55
She-Hulk 16 (with Wolverine, still in Canada after killing Sabretooth)
Endangered Species backup strips 5-

X-Men #200/Cable & Deadpool 42 (tentative)
X-Men #201- (tentative)
World War Hulk: X-Men 1 (first page only, Prof X and Iron Man)
Captain America 28 (with Professor X)
World War Hulk: X-Men 1-3 (tentative)
Uncanny X-Men 487- (The Extremists, tentative)
New X-Men 37-41 (Quest for Magik- we'll just have to pretend that Sefton is told Nightcrawler is out of the country, not in space)
Ms. Marvel 18 (with Beast)
Sub-Mariner 2-3 (with Wolverine and Xavier)
New Warriors 2-3 (with Wolverine)

Wolverine: Origins Annual (Wolvie in Madripoor)
Cable & Deadpool 43-44 (with Wolverine & Cyclops, Wolverine mentions tracking from Madripoor)
Wolverine 56 (in the pit)
Wolverine Origins 16- (present day parts only, of course)
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  Quote Charles Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Aug-2007 at 3:53am
Originally posted by onslaught


"x-men: apocalypse vs Dracula" is that after "rise of apocalypse"?
Never read it, but I remember hearing it was a flashback story anyway so it should be before.  
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  Quote Blackcyclops Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Aug-2007 at 9:47pm
I still think Magik Quest comes before the Uncanny team return...
 
And WWH happens after that (the LImbo look for Santos isn't permanent I believe from all the drawings I've seen), then X_Men #200 happens after that...
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Aug-2007 at 3:46am
Hey, I read the books in trades and am a little behind. For readiblity's sake, how should I read Endangered Species? They'll probably release it all in one trade, but since it was created as a series of 20 backup strips, would it be weird to read it all in one go? Should it be read along with the books it came in as something that happened in the past? Please help me out on this.
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  Quote shmoo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Aug-2007 at 11:03am
Originally posted by Blackcyclops

I still think Magik Quest comes before the Uncanny team return...
 
And WWH happens after that (the LImbo look for Santos isn't permanent I believe from all the drawings I've seen), then X_Men #200 happens after that...

But what about the new looks for both Anole and Pixie, not present in either WWH or X-Men #202?
Originally posted by ajandrew1212

Hey, I read the books in trades and am a little behind. For readiblity's sake, how should I read Endangered Species? They'll probably release it all in one trade, but since it was created as a series of 20 backup strips, would it be weird to read it all in one go? Should it be read along with the books it came in as something that happened in the past? Please help me out on this.

No, it's just one big plotless tour of the Marvel universe and thus far has no bearing on anything. You can read it all together independent of the issues it was originally paired with.


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  Quote Paragon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Aug-2007 at 11:06am
Originally posted by shmoo

Originally posted by Blackcyclops

I still think Magik Quest comes before the Uncanny team return...
 
And WWH happens after that (the LImbo look for Santos isn't permanent I believe from all the drawings I've seen), then X_Men #200 happens after that...

But what about the new looks for both Anole and Pixie, not present in either WWH or X-Men #202?


I thought Pixie had her new black and pink hair in X-Men 202.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Aug-2007 at 3:03pm
so this mean this is the first book to read
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  Quote Baltazar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Aug-2007 at 6:13pm
welcome back Shmoo! Wink
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  Quote shmoo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Aug-2007 at 11:26pm
Originally posted by Paragon


I thought Pixie had her new black and pink hair in X-Men 202.


I'm having trouble remembering what Pixie looked like before, mainly because she was just a piece of scenery until this arc. Now the sofa almost lost it's soul, and we were supposed to care. But I digress...

Okay, so the differences in her appearance are stripey hair and rattier looking wings. X-Men #202 shows the stripey hair but with the still iridescent wings, so it's ambiguous.
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  Quote Paragon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Aug-2007 at 1:11am
Originally posted by shmoo

Originally posted by Paragon


I thought Pixie had her new black and pink hair in X-Men 202.


I'm having trouble remembering what Pixie looked like before, mainly because she was just a piece of scenery until this arc. Now the sofa almost lost it's soul, and we were supposed to care. But I digress...

Okay, so the differences in her appearance are stripey hair and rattier looking wings. X-Men #202 shows the stripey hair but with the still iridescent wings, so it's ambiguous.


So they got one out of three things correct.  Pixie's hair is right, but her wings are wrong, and Anole's arm is wrong.  In other words, I have no idea where this this fits into continuity.
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